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Old 9th April 2018, 11:09 AM
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Default E Bay fraudsters.

Greg might be able to answer this one.

On Ebay there is more than one seller (using hacked accounts mainly) offering
motor vehicles of all description for sale at considerably less than the normal price.I know from regular browsing that they do not actually own any of them.

I come across these mainly in "classic cars" category. Sometimes they list several hundred vehicles at a time, then Ebay catch up and remove the listing, only for them to pop up again (under a different user name) a couple of hours later.This has been going on for many months.

I'm sure this also happens with high value hi-fi and photographic gear.

My question is, in law, is merely offering these items for sale a criminal offence ?
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Old 9th April 2018, 12:29 PM
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It would be useful for you to publish a link to one of these eBay adverts but in general based on what you have said, it is probable that an offence has been committed within the provisions of The Fraud Act 2006, at the time of the advert being made. There does not need to be an actual victim who has incurred any loss for an offence to have been committed and likewise, for the offender to actually have made any material gain. If the vehicles advertised do not actually exist or are not genuinely available for sale, the advertiser has acted dishonestly by making a false representation as defined by the act.

The problem in practice is that fraud is such a very common offence, and to try and police it effectively is generally a non starter. If one considers the common practices of selling counterfeit goods, obtaining services with a chipped Sky TV box, including the actual chipping of the box with intent to obtain services by that person or someone else, for example, not to mention the one you have raised, you can see the enormity of the problem. Phishing is a fraud and there are many other examples. Offences are regularly committed because the offender considers there is little likelihood of being caught or prosecuted. Of course, some offences can also be dealt with under civil law such as by Trading Standards for the sale of counterfeit goods.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/fraud-act-2006
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Old 9th April 2018, 02:30 PM
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Default Re: E Bay fraudsters.

Wot greg says.............

I guess for any sort of high value item as Philip described, the old "Caveat Emptor" advice is paramount.
A genuine seller would never object to a purchaser asking to do a search to check if the vehicle or item (if thats possible) is genuine and not stolen or HPI etcetcetc.
Likewise I'd never part with large chunks of cash without first having got hold of an item if I wasn't 100% sure of the source.
This of course restricts me in that I'd need to collect goods etc and no doubt I have paid over the odds in the past by using High street "dealers" or other well established bona fide businesses.

It is a worry and as Philip observes, a tasty item comes up and before you know it several other similar listings appear. That always makes me suspicious.

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Here is one listing as at 18:08 today.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1973-Jagu...YAAOSwYMtay5n~

This car is about 1/3 it's real value.

Click on sellers other items to see 391 miscellaneous other items, all scams.
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Old 9th April 2018, 07:32 PM
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So arunltd has about 65 specialist or collectible vehicles for sale. I’m completely ignorant here. Are they all being offered at well below market value?

Actually that link opens up several Jaguar related cars and items, many advertised by different sellers. I just picked out one of them being arunltd and look at his other items.
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That link is dead now.

They will all be relisted later on with a different user name.
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Default Re: E Bay fraudsters.

This is the same E type V12 as I linked to before, but a newer listing with another user name.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1973-Jagu...IAAOSwikday6Df
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So if the link is dead in such a short space of time, why does it show me a list of jaguar related items and cars plus other vehicles offered by different sellers. Is this just a feature of how eBay works when they have closed down a fraudulent entry but leave genuine related items for sale by different sellers? If so, why?

It seems a bit laborious for the fraudster if their action is only open for view for less than two hours. Maybe they are expecting some impetuous super rich buyer to make a purchase simply on spec after an eBay listing? Seems a bit unlikely to me. I thought most classic car sales can take days to complete especially when in the hundreds of thousand pounds?

Not sure Iím understanding this one
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Old 9th April 2018, 08:22 PM
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This is the same E type V12 as I linked to before, but a newer listing with another user name.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1973-Jagu...IAAOSwikday6Df
Hmmm, see what you mean. legopaulkelly has had very limited feedback, mostly for his purchases and nothing for over a year. Buy it now price of £13,800 which even I can see is a nonsence price. Also, buy it now price not in the main body of the auction but in the info section below. Also, you actually canít buy it now but have to email the seller. I wonder if this is a ruse to draw a potential unguarded person into a scam/fraud of some sort. Might not even involve the actual vehicle advertised. Seller might just be looking to make an initial contact with a potential victim that he can manipulate and work on to extort money from.

Caveat emptor. If itís too good to be true, it is. Even the CPS guide to the 2006 Fraud Act refers to caveat emptor.
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