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Shian7 27th March 2008 03:50 PM

Cheap Cartridges
 
Not the most extensive range in the world but prices are keen and include VAT & delivery.

There's at least a couple of models that seem popular with forum members.

http://www.hifix.co.uk/sku_list.lass...d=&major_id=29

I realise that this is a commercial site but there seems to me to be very little on there that I would consider to be in competition with WD.

If I'm incorrect on this, please accept my apologies in advance.

Richard 30th March 2008 12:30 AM

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Thanks Mike,

I'm using a DL160 at the mo which is excellent and am thinking of the 304 which is a good price here. Anyone else using this or have any alternative suggestions?

Rich

Gerry 2nd April 2008 06:51 PM

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Richard

I have a 304. Excellent cartridge. Worked really well with my Alphason HR100 and Rega RB300.
I'd recommend it...easy load and perfectly suited to modern meduim mass arms.

buddam 4th April 2008 02:36 PM

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Hi Gerry

how's the 304 against a 103/103R?

Adrian

michael orme 4th April 2008 06:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by buddam (Post 54570)
Hi Gerry

how's the 304 against a 103/103R?

Adrian

I was going to ask that! Spec looks better on 304?

Gerry 4th April 2008 07:05 PM

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It is a while since I used it. But as I remember they are similar but it has a tighter base. I used it with a different arm which the 103R didn't really like.
I might dig it out and compare, if the weather is as bad as they promise, this weekend!

Stratmangler 4th April 2008 11:30 PM

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I had a chuckle at the description for the DL160 - the thought of a DJ using one of these in anger makes me shudder.

To quote:
DJs looking for a replacement cartridge will like the Denon DL-160 its a moving coil cartridge that's capable of producing a high output…...

Chris:D:D:D

Stratmangler 4th April 2008 11:38 PM

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Richard

How does the DL-160 compare to the DL-110 ?

I have a DL-110, and find that it sounds a bit ploddy and one note in the low frequencies.

It also doesn't track particularly well as it nears the label when playing records - I'm thinking of DTB and his 103 tracking issues here.

Does the stylus difference make a big difference in the presentation and tracking between the two cartridges ?

Chris:)

Richard 5th April 2008 08:24 AM

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Thanks Gerry, I was trying to find meaningful figures like compliance but couldn't so all comment welcome. I see Shane also uses the 304 which has made me pause as he's having probs in a Mayware which is lower eff mass than yours. I would have thought it will be as compliant as the 160 but who knows?

Chris, not used the 110 but the 160 tracks perfectly in the Mayware, absolutely no audible distortion or mistracking even on rough eBay vinyl, tracks the noise beautifully :mad:. Seriously, I'm begining to wonder if this is just a good cart sample or a lucky arm match. That said, I know the geometry is good so it may be worth you checking alignment. Also, this weather, keep it warm, my deck's on the shelf above the power amp. Bass is strong and tuneful, as good if not better than CD, which is saying something.

My dilema is that a 304 will need to use the step up TXs and will I lose as much as I gain by going to these? I suppose I will try it and report back.

Rich

Shane 5th April 2008 10:52 AM

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My feedback problems are more a result of location and isolation with my home-made turntable. I think under normal circumstances the 304/Mayware combination should be pretty good given that the 304 is medium compliance and the Mayware has such easily variable effective mass. Don't let my problems put you off!

Gerry 5th April 2008 04:44 PM

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Richard

Some figures:

Type
Moving Coil
Output (1Khz 50 mm/sec)mv
Freq Response 20Hz - 75kHz
Output Impedance 40 ohms
Load Impedance > 100 ohms
L/R Separation 1kHz > 28db
L/R Balance 1kHz< 1db
Stylus Tip 0.07 x 0.1mm Special Elliptical
Dynamic Compliance 14 x 10-6cm/Dyne
VTF 1.2 +/- 0.2gm
Mass: 7gm

(Remember Denon do their Compliance figures at 100Hz rather than 10Hz)

More info on all cartridges can be found here:
http://www.cartridgedb.com/

Richard 6th April 2008 11:25 AM

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Thanks Gerry, that's a brilliant site, not seen it before :)

It has both 160 and 304 data and the 304 is both heavier and more compliant than the 160 so should be better if anything for my arm.

Someone else had a resonance query a bit back and I see that if you click the compliance or output box on the cart spec it brings up a table for arm/cart resonance, or an output calc after entering the preamp gain. Phono3 is 45dB MM plus 20 or 26 dB for the MC TXs. The result there is that I'll have a bit more output with the 304 and x10 TXs than at the mo with 160 into MM, which will be good again.

So, will get it ordered and let you know how it goes.

Rich

smithy 6th April 2008 08:53 PM

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There are still the Pickering XV15 on ebay at £69.99 with two free styli,I need cheap at home in case the cat jumps on the turntable.I use mine on a 401 with SME 3012 into Heed Questar MM straight into a Crown K2 ,a lot of the older vinyl sounds chronic but new 45s sound awesome.

ImDreamer 7th October 2013 04:41 PM

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Thanks for link , it's really useful .

Murray77 21st April 2015 02:13 PM

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Very useful thread! Thanks! :thumbsup:


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